MichelinCrossClimate vs Primacy 3 - Long Term Review. In Spring 2015, Michelin unveiled a new breed of all season tyre, the Crossclimate, which promised to address the shortcomings of traditional all season tyres in the warmer, dryer months for places such as most of the uk and areas of europe.The remit being to provide the performance of a summer tyre whilst being able to conquer the NotPrimacy 4, but OEM Primacy 3 vs PS4. Different goals the 2 tyres have. Primacy range is comfort biased, high mileage and low rolling resistance. Great if you take corners gently, like to cruise down expressways in serenity and comfort, and clock high mileage. Michelin Pilot Sport 4 1,301 replies; Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 6 Hereare all of our articles related to Michelin Tires: Michelin 4X4 Diamaris Review. Michelin Agilis Crossclimate Review. Michelin Crossclimate+ Review. Michelin Crossclimate 2 Review. Michelin Crossclimate SUV Review. Michelin Defender LTX M/S Review. Michelin Defender T+H Review. Michelin Energy Saver Review. Thespecifications of the sizes vary so that some of the technology used is applied and some are not applied. The price offered by Michelin Pilot Sport 4S starts at $ 188.99 to the most expensive $ 568.99. Prices are adjusted to specifications in each size. If the size has complete specifications, the price can be up to $ 500.00. TheseMICHELIN ® tires carry a 30,000 kilometer limited warranty in addition to the standard materials and workmanship warranty for treadwear or mileage. - Available on: Pilot® Sport 4. - Speed Rating: Y , (Y) , W. Download PDF (1.83Mb) Standard Limited Warranty. All MICHELIN ® tires have a Standard Manufacturer's Limited Warranty, which MichelinPrimacy 3 Review (4.1) Touring Summer. from $175.61. Michelin Track and Competition Tire Reviews. Michelin Pilot Sport 4 SUV Review (4.6) Ultra High Performance Summer. from $207.14. Michelin Pilot Sport 3 ZP Review (4.6) Ultra High Performance Summer. from $393.75. . 02-16-2022, 0522 AM 1 Private Drives Bmw f31 330dJoin Date Aug 2019 Location Midlands, UK Primacy 4 vs Pilot Sport 4? Getting close to replacing my runflats, so looking at replacements. The Pilot Sport 4 and Primacy 4 are top contenders at the moment. I understand the marketing. PS4 is a UHP tyre with great grip and driving dynamics, the Primacy is a touring, comfort based tyre. I know the PS4's are well reviewed and so they've been top of my shortlist for a while. But does anyone know how much difference there is between them? I rarely find the limit of grip anyway, especially in the dry, so I'd consider trading a small amount of grip for increased comfort, lower noise, better fuel economy and longer wear. Especially seeing as this is my daily drive. However, I don't want to completely ruin the driving enjoyment of a car that's designed to be fun to drive. I don't want to put tyres onto a 330D if they were only really designed with a fiesta in mind. Price is similar for both sets. Thanks! 02-16-2022, 0625 AM 2 Banned Drives Ducati Diavel, BMW S1000XRJoin Date Feb 2022 Location Out in the cuds I have Primacy 4s on my Volvo wagon. I've been very pleased. Plenty of grip, low road noise and longevity. Attached Images 02-16-2022, 0736 AM 3 First Lieutenant Drives 2006 Z4MC + 2015 320D M-SportJoin Date Aug 2017 Location Liverpool, UK The Primacy 4 will be fine for a daily driver. Even the PS4 will be more comfortable than the Bridgestone/Pirelli/Goodyears RFTs BMW fit although they're all much better than the first gen. runflats. Unless they're the same price or cheaper, I'd only put PS4/PS4S on something that's going to be pushed a bit harder. They'll be fine on any car, a 318D for example, as you've still got 1600kg of car to carry safely through the corners, but it's how you attack the corners that will dictate if you really need the extra dry grip of the PS4 over all-round performance of the Primacy? 02-16-2022, 0811 AM 4 Private Drives Bmw f31 330dJoin Date Aug 2019 Location Midlands, UK Quote Originally Posted by coonz I have Primacy 4s on my Volvo wagon. I've been very pleased. Plenty of grip, low road noise and longevity. That's good to know, thank you. Sounds like it ticks all the major boxes. Quote Originally Posted by mmm-five The Primacy 4 will be fine for a daily driver. Even the PS4 will be more comfortable than the Bridgestone/Pirelli/Goodyears RFTs BMW fit although they're all much better than the first gen. runflats. Unless they're the same price or cheaper, I'd only put PS4/PS4S on something that's going to be pushed a bit harder. They'll be fine on any car, a 318D for example, as you've still got 1600kg of car to carry safely through the corners, but it's how you attack the corners that will dictate if you really need the extra dry grip of the PS4 over all-round performance of the Primacy? Thanks for this. Yeah the RFT I have are pretty rubbish, I have some Pirelli C7s on the front and Bridgestone S001s on the rear. Road noise is higher than I'd like, especially on the motorway. I guess everyone's definition of "pushed a bit harder" is different. The only time I come close to breaking traction day to day is in the wet and even then only under hard acceleration, but I don't want a car that I have to nurse around corners. I guess I'm also concerned with steering feel - on my old E46 I ended up with a set of tyres that tramlined everywhere. I don't have that problem now but I don't want to end up with a car that's horrible to drive. I suppose the Primacys aren't exactly budget ditchfinders. EDIT I've found only one review that tests the PS4 and Primacy 4 at the same time, and it can be found here The site is in Chinese so use Google Translate. The Primacy gets referred to as the "Haoyue" for some reason. Surprisingly, the Primacy beats out all the performance tyres being tested, including the PS4. But comfort/noise were closer than expected, and subjective handling isn't tested. If only Tyre Reviews on Youtube would do a comparison! Last edited by mmarkk1990; 02-16-2022 at 0327 PM.. 02-18-2022, 0354 PM 5 Lieutenant Drives 2017 BMW 440i Gran CoupeJoin Date Jun 2020 Location Chicago I have the ps4 and I'm very pleased with the ride quality and responsiveness compared to the dws06. I'll likely buy the ps4 again Attached Images __________________//'17 F36 440i Mineral Grey //MPPSK w/carbon tips //Apex ARC8 255/40/18 //MST intake //AutoTechnik brace 02-21-2022, 0414 AM 6 Captain Drives F31 LCI 340iXJoin Date Mar 2020 Location Europe I have experience with both, unfortunately not on the same car. If I have to sum it up, Primacy 4 is a well-balanced tire, while PS4 outperforms it in terms of dry grip, and braking. Can't comment on wet performance not driven enough on both, but I am not a fan of Michelins in the wet in general. In my experience, PS4 has similar possibly better ride quality. According to the data, they should be similar also in terms of life span. My choice out of these two would be definitely PS4, but there might be tires better suited for you from other brands. What tires do you use now? 02-21-2022, 0624 AM 7 Private Drives Bmw f31 330dJoin Date Aug 2019 Location Midlands, UK Thanks for the replies! Quote If I have to sum it up, Primacy 4 is a well-balanced tire, while PS4 outperforms it in terms of dry grip, and braking. Can't comment on wet performance not driven enough on both, but I am not a fan of Michelins in the wet in general. In my experience, PS4 has similar possibly better ride quality. According to the data, they should be similar also in terms of life span. My choice out of these two would be definitely PS4, but there might be tires better suited for you from other brands. Interesting. That pretty much correlates to what I've seen so far. Problem is, living in the UK, that wet performance is probably more important than dry. I can't remember the last time I reached the limit in the dry! At the moment I have a terrible blend of Pirelli Cinturato P7 on the front and Bridgestone Potenza S001 on the rear. The car handles and performs just fine but noise is worse than I'd like it to be. I know the F30 isn't that quiet to start with but I had better tyres on at one point and the difference was noticeable. With all this said, I think my preference now is the Goodyear Asymmetric 5 or the 6 if they come in the right sizes. They seem to have the edge in handling, noise and wear, but lose out to the PS4 slightly in ride comfort - based on lots of internet searches! 02-21-2022, 0758 AM 8 Captain Drives F31 LCI 340iXJoin Date Mar 2020 Location Europe Quote Originally Posted by mmarkk1990 With all this said, I think my preference now is the Goodyear Asymmetric 5 or the 6 if they come in the right sizes. They seem to have the edge in handling, noise and wear, but lose out to the PS4 slightly in ride comfort - based on lots of internet searches! Exactly that would be my recommendation. F1 Asymmetric 5 is an excellent, rounded performance tire with superior wet handling. Personally, I would consider the Goodyear a more comfortable tire, but it's quite difficult to compare - very different compounds, and construction, as PS4 has noticeably tougher sidewalls. That's also why even PS4 is possibly a bit sharper in handling, but Asymmetric 5 has lovely progression. PS4 has better dry braking. The best would be to wait for the reputable reviews of Asymmetric 6, as it is not clear if they will be a clear successor while I have absolutely no doubts they will be great, they can be pretty different from Asy 5. 02-21-2022, 0307 PM 9 Private Drives Bmw f31 330dJoin Date Aug 2019 Location Midlands, UK Quote Originally Posted by J555 Exactly that would be my recommendation. F1 Asymmetric 5 is an excellent, rounded performance tire with superior wet handling. Personally, I would consider the Goodyear a more comfortable tire, but it's quite difficult to compare - very different compounds, and construction, as PS4 has noticeably tougher sidewalls. That's also why even PS4 is possibly a bit sharper in handling, but Asymmetric 5 has lovely progression. PS4 has better dry braking. The best would be to wait for the reputable reviews of Asymmetric 6, as it is not clear if they will be a clear successor while I have absolutely no doubts they will be great, they can be pretty different from Asy 5. Great minds think alike! That's what I'll do for now, I still have some life left in my current tyres so I can wait for some reviews. Thanks 02-21-2022, 0400 PM 10 Lieutenant Colonel Drives F31 335D XDriveJoin Date Sep 2020 Location Scotland PS4 sidewalls are softer than F1 AS5's which are softer than the PS4S. I've got the PS4S on the BMW and AS5's on the Impreza. Both are excellent in the wet and you'll be more than happy regardless of which version you go for; I had no problem pushing on pretty hard last summer with the PS4S even in monsoon conditions with water pouring over the road. I can't compare directly because of the different cars which actually gives the feeling that the F1's are significantly stiffer than the PS4S but that's just down to the extra 400kg the BMW is carrying. Yes, back to back you'll maybe be able to tell a difference on the public road when driving hard but if you pick one you'll be happy with it because you won't know any better. It's not as if you're going from a great tyre to a terrible ditch finder. And when the PS5 and AS6 inevitably come out they will be better, but that won't make the tyres you've got fitted to your car suddenly turn into dangerous wooden blocks! 02-22-2022, 0514 AM 11 Private Drives Bmw f31 330dJoin Date Aug 2019 Location Midlands, UK That's also my thinking - I'm unlikely to be able to tell the difference unless I tested them back to back! The PS5 and AS6 are already available in some sizes - I can get them for the front but not the rear. I'll wait a bit to see reviews and whether they expand the range. 02-22-2022, 1107 AM 12 Lieutenant Colonel Drives F31 335D XDriveJoin Date Sep 2020 Location Scotland Latest UHP tyre test from TyreReviews One thing I would ask is if you really need the UHP segment of tyre if you're only driving briskly. I haven't found the limit of the PS4S even when giving it grief over a sustained period. If I didn't have occasional right foot issues I'd be more than happy with the Primacy given how good the higher mileage tyres are these days; gone are the days of tyres made of plastic. 02-22-2022, 0128 PM 13 Captain Drives 435D Estoril BlueJoin Date Jan 2018 Location East Sussex Quote One thing I would ask is if you really need the UHP segment of tyre if you're only driving briskly. I haven't found the limit My way of looking at that is, whatever level of concentration and observation you have, people do stupid things such as pull out of a side road in your path. That happened to me 30 years ago whilst I was within the posted limit, they just didn't look my way after a car passed them coming my way, they took it as the moment to move forward into my path. Anyway my point is, the best grip wet and dry could mean the difference between stopping short or having an impact, so I go with the best I can get even though I don't 'push on'. Tyre reviews comparison tests allow us to work out what the best are. 02-22-2022, 0132 PM 14 Private Drives Bmw f31 330dJoin Date Aug 2019 Location Midlands, UK Just to clarify tyre groups, the PS4 and Goodyear AS5 are UHP tyres. The PS4S and the tyres in that video are UUHP - one step up. I definitely don't need that! UHP vs "standard" premium is certainly still a valid debate for me. 02-23-2022, 0927 AM 15 Captain Drives F32 428i XdriveJoin Date Aug 2020 Location Texas Quote Originally Posted by mmarkk1990 Thanks for the replies! Quote If I have to sum it up, Primacy 4 is a well-balanced tire, while PS4 outperforms it in terms of dry grip, and braking. Can't comment on wet performance not driven enough on both, but I am not a fan of Michelins in the wet in general. In my experience, PS4 has similar possibly better ride quality. According to the data, they should be similar also in terms of life span. My choice out of these two would be definitely PS4, but there might be tires better suited for you from other brands. Interesting. That pretty much correlates to what I've seen so far. Problem is, living in the UK, that wet performance is probably more important than dry. I can't remember the last time I reached the limit in the dry! At the moment I have a terrible blend of Pirelli Cinturato P7 on the front and Bridgestone Potenza S001 on the rear. The car handles and performs just fine but noise is worse than I'd like it to be. I know the F30 isn't that quiet to start with but I had better tyres on at one point and the difference was noticeable. With all this said, I think my preference now is the Goodyear Asymmetric 5 or the 6 if they come in the right sizes. They seem to have the edge in handling, noise and wear, but lose out to the PS4 slightly in ride comfort - based on lots of internet searches! From researching stuff, if you did want to go the uhp summer route, falken Azenis fk510 have excellent wet performance. They actually just introduced the 520's but I don't think that's coming for a few more months The conti's are also an amazing choice especially in the wet. I can attest. They're also usually cheaper than Michelin and have just as good of performance. I've compared with my friend on pilot a/s 3+ to my conti's and it's a good comparison. © 2023 Compare The Tire - All Rights Reserved Below we compared Michelin Summer tires. Each tire has its own abilities but while testing them we found out some interesting facts, that we were not expecting. Let’s dig Michelin Primacy 3 has a comparatively closed tread pattern while Pilot Sport 3 has a little wider grooves in comparison. This clear difference helps a lot to distinguish between their overall capabilities. Tires with closed pattern are considered good on dry tracks while wider grooves help to avoid find out what else their design tell Of These TiresThe Michelin Primacy 3 tire has a closely packed design, all the shoulder blocks are of similar size and shape. All the shoulder lugs are divided by normal sized consists of two tread block rows, one rib and four groove is very thin and it is placed on the outer grooves in the central part are wider and the groove on the inner side is of normal two tread block rows have blocks of similar size separated by narrow grooves and a rib is sandwiched between these rib consists of several sipes, that are running from one end towards sipes are placed on rows and shoulder Michelin Pilot Sport 3 tire has a comparatively open tread consists of two wider grooves, two narrower grooves and two small lines running on the consists two ribs and one tread block side shoulder blocks are separated by narrower grooves and a longitudinal groove is cutting them in two other side shoulder blocks aren’t fully separated and are placed as a half cutted the blocks are of same size in the tread block row and they are separated by lateral rib is separated in two parts by a small line and both parts have small sipes placed on the shoulder blocks have sipes running on Grip ComparisonDry grip is directly proportional to the amount of contact patch, more contact area means more dry Primacy 3 due to relatively narrower grooves has more tread blocks so it has increased contact patch that results in its higher grip on dry wet grip of this tire is also good as it has higher contact patch and several sipes placed on its the lateral and longitudinal grooves help in channeling of water so wet grip is 3 also has good dry grip but it can’t beat its opponent in this aspect as it has wider grooves compared with grooves decrease its contact patch resulting in less dry grip wet grip of this tire is also not comparable with its competitor due to lesser contact patch. So, in this section primacy is the clear winner thanks to its closed tread pattern. Primacy 3Sport 3Dry GripHighModerate-HighWet GripHighModerate-HighHandling ComparisonThe handling of a tire depends upon its shoulder. Primacy 3 has very good dry handling due to its closely placed shoulder tread blocks with narrower grooves, that help to bite the surface improving the grip of the tire while wet grip of this tire is also satisfactory but is not as good as its counterpart as the number of sipes engraved on the shoulder blocks is lesser due to which tire may face problems in wiping the water away while Pilot Sport 3 also provides good steering experience due to its closely placed tread blocks in the shoulders as of its of these tires stand on same grounds while talking about dry handling. But in terms of wet handling Sport 3 wins the race due to its increased contact area from shoulders, plus the increased number of sipes that wipe away the water while cornering and provide extraordinary steering response in wet weather. Primacy 3Sport 3Dry HandlingHighHighWet HandlingModerate-HighHighComparison of Hydroplaning Resistance Hydroplaning refers to the condition when tire loses grip with the road and starts to float and resultantly the vehicle loses 3 due to its extremely wide grooves is very good at resisting hydroplaning, although it does not have sufficient lateral grooves but its longitudinal grooves are wide enough to throw all the water backwards, there is sufficient space available for high volume of water to pass makes this tire very good at resisting Primacy 3 does not have much wide grooves so in this case it isn’t able to beat its counterpart. But it can also resist hydroplaning till a certain level but if speed is increased at wet roads using this tire, then chances are that your vehicle might lose control due to aquaplaning. Primacy 3Sport 3Hydroplaning ResistanceModerateHighComparison of Rolling ResistanceRolling resistance is proportional to the amount of tire’s tread touching the surface, the more the contact patch, more will be rolling as we have discussed earlier that Primacy 3 has higher contact patch so it will face higher rolling will resultantly increase the fuel consumption of the 3 has higher void ratio so it won’t face higher rolling resistance as due to lesser contact patch less force is required to drag the this tire will improve the fuel economy of the vehicle. Primacy 3Sport 3Rolling resistanceHighLowComparison comfortMain thing to discuss in this section is the noise level produced by each tire. Noise is produced by the movement of air particles inside the grooves of a wider the grooves the more spaces available for air particles to collide with tread block walls, creating sound. Primacy 3 has less void ratio so it makes less noise than its Sport 3 has wide grooves and higher void ratio so more air particles can get in the tread and they make louder noise compared to its terms on comfort Primacy 3 is the clear winner. Durability and treadwearPrimacy 3 comes with new patented tread design that make sures all of the tire tread comes in contact with the road, this feature not only improves tire performance but makes sure that tread wears 3 has higher contact patch so its tread wear is higher as it has lower tread depth than its counterpart so its tread is leveled with the grooves before its rival’s. This results in lower tread 3 is also made with durable material. It has lower contact patch so its tread wear is its tread depth is higher than its competitor so its tread will take more time to level with its grooves and its tread life will of these are summer 3Has better dry better wet more comfortable Sport 3Has better wet good hydroplaning lower rolling higher tread depth.

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